Curse

SotiCoto · Sep 28, 2007, 12:56 PM // 12:56

Reviews don't really concern me.... but on the whole I'd be inclined to agree. Eye of the North was a botch-job, primarily as a result of A-Net trying to listen to a large population of players who don't understand how the game works and can never agree on anything.
The whole dungeon system might appeal to some.... but in my opinion it is a step in entirely the wrong direction... taking the plot feel out of the game and turning into a mindless dungeon-crawl. The main plot for Eye of the North itself feels disconnected and pointless... the protagonist's position has become ever more absurd.... and most of the content is just rehashed versions of old stuff. Only the actual explorable areas themselves and their general-purpose prettiness is worthwhile throughout....

BUT.... it is still better than nothing, and I intend to get all I can out of it.... even if that means grinding through what I really don't like doing.

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

...... And you constantly chanting that doesn't count as a grind?
Drop the hypocrisy already.

(And for the record... the French use the term "little death" to refer to Orgasm. Take from that what you will.)

lord dragon · Sep 28, 2007, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

...... And you constantly chanting that doesn't count as a grind?
Drop the hypocrisy already.

OK, got to ask. What Hypocrisy? Just curious why you don't like my sig.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

lyra_song · Sep 28, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

.-.

I think the reviews are fair.

GW:EotN is more of the same. It IS an expansion after all. It doesnt really offer any new concepts, it takes existing concepts and makes more content out of it.

If you like GW, there you go. If youre getting sick of GW, well...then youre screwed.

Theus · Sep 28, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

The review is completely correct.

lord dragon · Sep 28, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

If you feel that way, then that is your opinion! I'm well aware that you and I disagree on alot of things, including grind ingame. But your the one who cant accept my opinion and attempt to boycott all my posts!

However, the reveiwer tried to state that buying elite armor requires endless grinding for gold! Which is just laughable, for the very reason I have mentioned above!

If armor requires grind, then how did I make around 140k in just 2 weeks for 2 sets of armor? Starting from 0 gold each time! Purely from questing and dungeons and exploring with bounties.

The point I was trying to make that you seem to have missed was that if I took just 1 line and disagreed with it, then discounted you opinion completely because of one line, I would be foolish. You and I disagree a lot, but I still value your opinion. I can respect a healthy debate on a subject without discounting a whole opinion on just one line.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I cant take the rest of that review serious because of that one line. That writer is obviously biased because he'd rather everything was just given to him/her.

So, with that statement, I was explaining that discounting a whole opinion on one line in a large article would be foolish.

Now, as for making gold, what you did in 2 weeks I can do in a day or so. It is just we do different areas. Is one player better then another, I DON'T THINK SO! We both like different challenges. Mine are just at higher levels of challenge.

Are either wrong? NO. But very different game play style.

If you read in another post, I actually have found something I can do in GWEN that is funny to do. It is not solo and has me laughing my butt off with alliance/guild.

Do I make any real $$ with it compared to the other areas I frequent? No.

Do other players in the guild/alliance think they are? Yes. It is the best they can do for themselves and thier level of play at the moment. I am happy for them.

So, for the record and to keep things completly straight for the future:

1. I do value your opinion and like a healthy debate.

2. We will probably disagree on most things regularly as we play a different style of game play.

3. I hate grind, and you seem to enjoy it.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

lord dragon · Sep 28, 2007, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

.-.

I think the reviews are fair.

GW:EotN is more of the same. It IS an expansion after all. It doesnt really offer any new concepts, it takes existing concepts and makes more content out of it.

If you like GW, there you go. If youre getting sick of GW, well...then youre screwed.

Well, if you have actually found content, please share it with the rest of us, because I have really looked hard to find it.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Mordakai · Sep 28, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

.-.

I think the reviews are fair.

GW:EotN is more of the same. It IS an expansion after all. It doesnt really offer any new concepts, it takes existing concepts and makes more content out of it.

If you like GW, there you go. If youre getting sick of GW, well...then youre screwed.

QFT.

Grind is nothing new. Padding out Campaigns is nothing new (most of Prophecy is below level 20 content; Factions was laughable making you go back and forth all the time to make it feel longer, then stop and "grind" for 10k Faction to progress; Nightfall: desert, desert oasis, more desert).

I've actually enjoyed Eye of the North the most since first playing Prophecy. I don't see much difference between it and the Chapters, except it moves at a MUCH faster pace. A good thing, IMO.

lord dragon · Sep 28, 2007, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

QFT.

Grind is nothing new. Padding out Campaigns is nothing new (most of Prophecy is below level 20 content; Factions was laughable making you go back and forth all the time to make it feel longer, then stop and "grind" for 10k Faction to progress; Nightfall: desert, desert oasis, more desert).

I've actually enjoyed Eye of the North the most since first playing Prophecy. I don't see much difference between it and the Chapters, except it moves at a MUCH faster pace. A good thing, IMO.

10k faction less then an hour of play.

7500 SS points about 2 hours.

GWEN title farms, endless.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Mordakai · Sep 28, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Well, if you have actually found content, please share it with the rest of us, because I have really looked hard to find it.

??? You can't find any content?

Maybe your definition of content differs from mine. I found 4 engaging story arcs, great voice acting, a decent plot, and some great scenery.

BTW, the answer to your query: your sig is annoying because it's so repetitive.

It's longer than some of your posts. You hate grinding, we get it already!

Get over yourself, grind is NOT new to GW (or RPGs in general), and I don't even define the measly faction you need for LOOKS as grind.

EDIT: regarding the 10k "grind" in Factions, note the " ". I don't consider it grind, anymore than killing monsters for armor. It's actually fun in GWEN to get multiple point rewards going and seeing how many points you can get in a run... it's like, oh, I don't know, a video game?

BTW, you've already established you don't mind "grinding" 2-3 hours for Sunspear points. So, your not against grinding at all, just against GWEN.

lyra_song · Sep 28, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

lord dragon, your mantra is an insult to Buddists and Sikhists everywhere.

KNOCK IT OFF.

It took me only 4 days with 2 hours of gaming each day (I come home from work around 7 PM) to get my level 5 Vanguard title for my Dervish armor. Thats hardly a grind. Plus not to mention the TRUCKLOAD of runes i got from the Charr. PLUS not to mention its so much FUN using the Siege Devourer.

-Loki- · Sep 28, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Does that reviewer really think he's smart because he uses a big word every 3?

lord dragon · Sep 28, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

??? You can't find any content?

Maybe your definition of content differs from mine. I found 4 engaging story arcs, great voice acting, a decent plot, and some great scenery.

BTW, the answer to your query: your sig is annoying because it's so repetitive.

It's longer than some of your posts. You hate grinding, we get it already!

Get over yourself, grind is NOT new to GW (or RPGs in general), and I don't even define the measly faction you need for LOOKS as grind.

EDIT: regarding the 10k "grind" in Factions, note the " ". I don't consider it grind, anymore than killing monsters for armor. It's actually fun in GWEN to get multiple point rewards going and seeing how many points you can get in a run... it's like, oh, I don't know, a video game?

BTW, you've already established you don't mind "grinding" 2-3 hours for Sunspear points. So, your not against grinding at all, just against GWEN.

Well, you can read past the sig. You can't do that with grind. A couple of hours of grind is bearable to a degree. When you take a bad idea of grind and extend it, it just extends the pain. Grind is true pain.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

lord dragon · Sep 28, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

lord dragon, your mantra is an insult to Buddists and Sikhists everywhere.

KNOCK IT OFF.

It took me only 4 days with 2 hours of gaming each day (I come home from work around 7 PM) to get my level 5 Vanguard title for my Dervish armor. Thats hardly a grind. Plus not to mention the TRUCKLOAD of runes i got from the Charr. PLUS not to mention its so much FUN using the Siege Devourer.

How am I insulting a religion? I have not stated anything about religion here.

2 hours of grind is a bad idea. 8 hours of grind is grueling. You are lucky you got yours done in 8. I still know people that are grinding away to get the stuff they want. I am not one of them.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Mordakai · Sep 28, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Well, you can read past the sig. You can't do that with grind. A couple of hours of grind is bearable to a degree. When you take a bad idea of grind and extend it, it just extends the pain. Grind is true pain.

Then don't do it.

Unlike Factions or Nightfall, GWEN does not require ANY "grind" to progress through the story.

Grinding for armor has existed from Prophecy... or are you aware of FoW armor?

Hell, try getting Elite Cantha, Luxon, Kurzick, Elite Sunspear, Vabbian Ancient or Primordial armor at the beginning of the game. You can't. GWEN does nothing that has not been done before, just slightly different mechanics to do it.

Darksun · Sep 28, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

lord dragon, your mantra is an insult to Buddists and Sikhists everywhere.

Then blame Frank Herbert. It's from DUNE. (dragon just swapped the word fear with grind) Chill people.

Mordakai · Sep 28, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Then blame Frank Herbert. It's from DUNE. (dragon just swapped the word fear with grind) Chill people.

That doesn't excuse Lord Dragon from spamming.

SotiCoto · Sep 28, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

OK, got to ask. What Hypocrisy? Just curious why you don't like my sig.

Grinding is an unfulfilling rote motion repeated excessively... right?
That about sums up the repetition of your "signature" there.
There is no standardised signature function for ordinary members here to the best of my knowledge. I can only assume you're copying and pasting that every single time or have some sort of Firefox add-on (or whatever) to do it for you....

Right?

I.... along with several other people here I notice..... kindly ask you to remove it and not post it again, as it is starting to get on several peoples' nerves.
Can you honour that request?

Achilles Antony · Sep 28, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Seems the reviewer is Ryan Scott. Isn't this the same Ryan Scott that threw a tantrum and said he was quitting GW because he couldn't hack it in the Realm of Torment? I believe it is...

Anyway, I see some people are still saying GW:EN is short... yes, it is... if you only do the primary quests. However, you seem to be forgetting all the dungeons and side quests, which take many hours to do. Adding those in to consideration makes this expansion much larger than you seem to think. If you only played the primary quests and decided you're a GW:EN expert... well, I'll just say you really have no clue.

Anyway, the only problem I have with GW:EN is the grind. Grind is annoying... I hate it. I feel that if you do the primary quests, you should be able to go back and get any armor/weapon/consumable you wish, rather than having to grind for a stupid title. It's just as annoying to me as playing Factions and finding out I can't use an NPC in town because my guild is Kurzick rather than Luxon. My response is "Yea, but I saved your butts from Shiro... let me use the merchant dammit!"

C noob · Sep 28, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

I rarely post anything but read a lot of GW fan-site message

boards,Especialy to get a feel after a GW Campaign/Expansion release.

For those who do not like 'Gridning' I do not understand why you are playing

this game or ANY RPG for that matter.

I have been PC gaming since 81. I have seen RPG games come and go.

Grinding,slight upgrades in content(sequels,and reviewer bias all nothing new.

That is why you have a choice to buy or not.

Or...Become a developer and do you own thing.For the love of Pete!

Close this thread.

freekedoutfish · Sep 28, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

The point I was trying to make that you seem to have missed was that if I took just 1 line and disagreed with it, then discounted you opinion completely because of one line, I would be foolish. You and I disagree a lot, but I still value your opinion. I can respect a healthy debate on a subject without discounting a whole opinion on just one line. ....
3. I hate grind, and you seem to enjoy it.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Even if we have very different playing styles, and even if joe blogg does too. Its still not hard for any player to make enough gold to buy armor. Which is the reason I cant take that writers review seriously.

I read the entire thing, but that one line stuck out at me.

If he honestly thinks its grind to buy armor, then (sorry but) hes a moron! Armor is extremely easy to purchase and compared to games like WoW, its a walk in the park.

Elite armor in WoW cost litterally millions to buy!

And hes complaining about making 70k for armor! That just makes me laugh. We get alot of stuff basically given to us in this game, including in GWEN. Armor is relatively cheap and easy to buy, and weapons are either given as rewards or just as cheap to craft.

Even greens are all around 5-10k now.

I accept there is other grind, but not for armor. This is why I dont think that reviewer has a clue what hes talking about. I would even question whether hes played comparable MMOs like WoW, because he would know how easy we have it.

And I dunno why you have the impression I like grind! I dont.. and you should have realised that.

I dont like/love grind, I dont like farming and I really dont like bounty hunting for hours. But I dont mind doing it, because nothing we grind for is critical (as I keep saying). I wont die or loose out if I dont get it.

Im currently working my Vangaurd title to rank 7 and its not exactly fun, but ill get some gold from it for destroyer cores. It keeps me busy too! But im playing halo 3 at the same time.